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		<title>Comment on By-Product Synergy &#8211; A Collaborative Approach to Waste Elimination by William D'Alessandro</title>
		<link>http://greentie.naem.org/2010/01/13/by-product-synergy-a-collaborative-approach-to-waste-elimination/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>William D'Alessandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no journalistic inhibitions stating publicly that if anyone can make by-product synergy work, in my opinion that would be Joe Fiksel (even though he is native of Montreal, Canada, and, so, to a Boston Bruins season ticket holder, an enemy who may be shot on sight).

Still, I dare to say this concept has been &quot;promising&quot; (the kiss of death for novelists and artists) for decades. As editor of Crosslands Bulletin, I have been attentive, I think, to the idea for a long time and even wrote up your Ohio initiative in the newsletter.  But comparatively speaking, it has not made much of a contribution.  Why is that?  Does by-product synergy depend too much on too many institutions, corporations, and public agencies working together in too perfect a harmony?  Or is my perception of this entirely wrong (heck, I admit, that&#039;s possible).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no journalistic inhibitions stating publicly that if anyone can make by-product synergy work, in my opinion that would be Joe Fiksel (even though he is native of Montreal, Canada, and, so, to a Boston Bruins season ticket holder, an enemy who may be shot on sight).</p>
<p>Still, I dare to say this concept has been &#8220;promising&#8221; (the kiss of death for novelists and artists) for decades. As editor of Crosslands Bulletin, I have been attentive, I think, to the idea for a long time and even wrote up your Ohio initiative in the newsletter.  But comparatively speaking, it has not made much of a contribution.  Why is that?  Does by-product synergy depend too much on too many institutions, corporations, and public agencies working together in too perfect a harmony?  Or is my perception of this entirely wrong (heck, I admit, that&#8217;s possible).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Industrial Hygienists heading for Extinction? by Tony Uliano</title>
		<link>http://greentie.naem.org/2008/11/10/industrial-hygienists-heading-for-extinction/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Uliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly with Walt&#039;s comments and, in fact, have been saying that for many, many years. Not only should be define ourselves more widely, our venue should be well beyond the workplace and into the community as many have been heading in the past number of years. There is also the persistent problem of weekend wonder, taking specialty courses and claiming expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly with Walt&#8217;s comments and, in fact, have been saying that for many, many years. Not only should be define ourselves more widely, our venue should be well beyond the workplace and into the community as many have been heading in the past number of years. There is also the persistent problem of weekend wonder, taking specialty courses and claiming expertise.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can We Have Our Cake and Eat it Too? by Stephen Evanoff</title>
		<link>http://greentie.naem.org/2009/10/15/can-we-have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Evanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill:

Thanks.  You are right.  Books like these are a tough read in that they don&#039;t leave much room for hope given the current trajectory of our consumerism and resource consumption.  America&#039;s history of plentiful resources and westward expansion makes it difficult for us to view the situation as a zero sum set of choices.

David:

Well reasoned and well stated, as always.  Thanks.  Of course, the problem with your choice number two is that, where global warming is concerned, waiting until we reach the crisis point will result in severe environmental and economic consequences.  I&#039;m still hopeful that the general approach that resulted in The Montreal Protocol will serve as a basic model for global action.   Time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill:</p>
<p>Thanks.  You are right.  Books like these are a tough read in that they don&#8217;t leave much room for hope given the current trajectory of our consumerism and resource consumption.  America&#8217;s history of plentiful resources and westward expansion makes it difficult for us to view the situation as a zero sum set of choices.</p>
<p>David:</p>
<p>Well reasoned and well stated, as always.  Thanks.  Of course, the problem with your choice number two is that, where global warming is concerned, waiting until we reach the crisis point will result in severe environmental and economic consequences.  I&#8217;m still hopeful that the general approach that resulted in The Montreal Protocol will serve as a basic model for global action.   Time will tell.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can We Have Our Cake and Eat it Too? by David Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sustainability is a true &quot;wicked problem&quot; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem), which Wikipedia defines as:

&quot;&#039;Wicked problem&#039; is a phrase used in social planning to describe a problem that is difficult or impossible to solve because of incomplete, contradictory, and changing requirements that are often difficult to recognize. Moreover, because of complex interdependencies, the effort to solve one aspect of a wicked problem may reveal or create other problems.&quot;

Given that it seems highly unlikely that this is a &quot;have your cake and eat it too&quot; situation. It also seems highly unlikely it can be successfully addressed through incrementalism. The fundamentals of what is leading us to this global problem are so flawed that small changes probably won&#039;t save the day.

That leaves 2 choices: 1)nations make bold and difficult decisions now to make meaningful change; or 2) the situation reaches a crisis point where urgent action is required. Human nature tends to go with Choice #2 since in the first choice there is always the chance or hope that things will get better without taking drastic action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sustainability is a true &#8220;wicked problem&#8221; (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem</a>), which Wikipedia defines as:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Wicked problem&#8217; is a phrase used in social planning to describe a problem that is difficult or impossible to solve because of incomplete, contradictory, and changing requirements that are often difficult to recognize. Moreover, because of complex interdependencies, the effort to solve one aspect of a wicked problem may reveal or create other problems.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given that it seems highly unlikely that this is a &#8220;have your cake and eat it too&#8221; situation. It also seems highly unlikely it can be successfully addressed through incrementalism. The fundamentals of what is leading us to this global problem are so flawed that small changes probably won&#8217;t save the day.</p>
<p>That leaves 2 choices: 1)nations make bold and difficult decisions now to make meaningful change; or 2) the situation reaches a crisis point where urgent action is required. Human nature tends to go with Choice #2 since in the first choice there is always the chance or hope that things will get better without taking drastic action.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can We Have Our Cake and Eat it Too? by William D'Alessandro</title>
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		<dc:creator>William D'Alessandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Porritt, Gus Speth believes the planet is going to Hell in a handbasket (see his book Bridge at the End of the World).  Both environmentalists see capitalism more than anything else — more even than population growth — as the driving force of ecological ruin and as a cancer eating away at society.

Another book we reviewed recently in Crosslands Bulletin, The Myth of Resource Efficiency, is less dogmatic but more commanding.  It is tough reading even for academic economists.  The authors evaluate the Jevons paradox: increase in efficiency in using a resource leads to an increase in the consumption of that resource rather than to a reduction.  

The authors draw a conclusion I find pertinent to your question.  They say, &quot;“Humans have to accept losing something in order to be able to retain something else.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Porritt, Gus Speth believes the planet is going to Hell in a handbasket (see his book Bridge at the End of the World).  Both environmentalists see capitalism more than anything else — more even than population growth — as the driving force of ecological ruin and as a cancer eating away at society.</p>
<p>Another book we reviewed recently in Crosslands Bulletin, The Myth of Resource Efficiency, is less dogmatic but more commanding.  It is tough reading even for academic economists.  The authors evaluate the Jevons paradox: increase in efficiency in using a resource leads to an increase in the consumption of that resource rather than to a reduction.  </p>
<p>The authors draw a conclusion I find pertinent to your question.  They say, &#8220;“Humans have to accept losing something in order to be able to retain something else.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on Working Harder&#8230; Accomplishing Less? by Barbara Carson</title>
		<link>http://greentie.naem.org/2009/02/17/working-harder-accomplishing-less/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on all counts. I have been in manufacturing since 1979 and have seen the changes some good, but most a large waste of time. Whenever anyone came up with a new manufacturing plan, companies would jump in full force spending an enormous amount of money and time and eventually scrap the plan all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on all counts. I have been in manufacturing since 1979 and have seen the changes some good, but most a large waste of time. Whenever anyone came up with a new manufacturing plan, companies would jump in full force spending an enormous amount of money and time and eventually scrap the plan all together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Right People&#8230; Right Seats by David Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have direct experience in doing this within EHS and also within IS organizations. The specific situations that existed and the approaches were unique, but the common foundation is the same:

--Vision/direction - clearly laying out &quot;this is where we are headed and why&quot;

--Priorities - clearly laying out &quot;these are the most important things we need to do and by when&quot;

--Roles/Responsibilities - clearly communicating &quot;here is where you fit into the organization, how you can contribute and how you will help us meet our priorities and move toward the vision&quot;

--Commitment to help - clearly communicating &quot;I (as the manager) am here to help all of you, what can I do to help you?&quot;

The redundant use of &quot;clearly&quot; is not a mistake -clarity is a key ingredient. If you do this, then the &quot;right&quot; people who are there will stay, the people with the capacity to be &quot;right&quot; will emerge and the others who can&#039;t or don&#039;t want to become &quot;right&quot; will be evident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have direct experience in doing this within EHS and also within IS organizations. The specific situations that existed and the approaches were unique, but the common foundation is the same:</p>
<p>&#8211;Vision/direction &#8211; clearly laying out &#8220;this is where we are headed and why&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Priorities &#8211; clearly laying out &#8220;these are the most important things we need to do and by when&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Roles/Responsibilities &#8211; clearly communicating &#8220;here is where you fit into the organization, how you can contribute and how you will help us meet our priorities and move toward the vision&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Commitment to help &#8211; clearly communicating &#8220;I (as the manager) am here to help all of you, what can I do to help you?&#8221;</p>
<p>The redundant use of &#8220;clearly&#8221; is not a mistake -clarity is a key ingredient. If you do this, then the &#8220;right&#8221; people who are there will stay, the people with the capacity to be &#8220;right&#8221; will emerge and the others who can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t want to become &#8220;right&#8221; will be evident.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Right People&#8230; Right Seats by Alex Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thought David. Any experiences out there on the how organizations can have a high success rate at transforming people into &quot;right&quot; people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thought David. Any experiences out there on the how organizations can have a high success rate at transforming people into &#8220;right&#8221; people?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Right People&#8230; Right Seats by David Williams</title>
		<link>http://greentie.naem.org/2009/09/23/right-people-right-seats/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>David Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In &quot;Good to Great&quot; Jim Collins also stated: &quot;The old adage &#039;People are your most important asset&#039; is wrong. People are not your most important asset. The right people are.&quot;

Norm provided this insightful comment above: &quot;The right people know what their ‘job’ is–to provide resources to make your job easier.” I would like to add something - the &quot;right&quot; people don&#039;t view the definition of their &quot;job&quot; as a static thing - they are always looking for new ways to deliver value, reduce or stop doing things that don&#039;t add value and don&#039;t recognize any pre-conceived boundaries to what their job is supposed to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In &#8220;Good to Great&#8221; Jim Collins also stated: &#8220;The old adage &#8216;People are your most important asset&#8217; is wrong. People are not your most important asset. The right people are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Norm provided this insightful comment above: &#8220;The right people know what their ‘job’ is–to provide resources to make your job easier.” I would like to add something &#8211; the &#8220;right&#8221; people don&#8217;t view the definition of their &#8220;job&#8221; as a static thing &#8211; they are always looking for new ways to deliver value, reduce or stop doing things that don&#8217;t add value and don&#8217;t recognize any pre-conceived boundaries to what their job is supposed to be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Right People&#8230; Right Seats by Alex Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Stephen. I&#039;ve been challenged further as I read Gary Hamel&#039;s &quot;The Future of Management&quot; where he challenges the current management paradigm and as he proposes some new ideas he &quot;dreams of companies that actually deserve the passion and creativity of the folks that work there.&quot; As you say there has to be an opportunity here!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Stephen. I&#8217;ve been challenged further as I read Gary Hamel&#8217;s &#8220;The Future of Management&#8221; where he challenges the current management paradigm and as he proposes some new ideas he &#8220;dreams of companies that actually deserve the passion and creativity of the folks that work there.&#8221; As you say there has to be an opportunity here!!</p>
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